Conversations with God:
An Interview with Neale Donald Walsch
Photo take in Ashland, OR with Neale at his home
LG: Something that we’ve been curious about on a personal level, which a lot of this is on a personal level for us, is: How did this get started, the Conversation with God? I’ve read the book but I’m sure there are a lot of readers who are curious.
NDW: It’s an idea I had at the time of great confusion in my life, and I woke up in the middle of the night and essentially started writing the book. I began pacing the floor . . . I called out, “What does it take to live a worthwhile life free from fear?” What had I done to deserve a life of such continuing struggle? And I began to hear answers to that I wrote down.
LG: If you had to define God, what would your definition be?
NDW: God is everything. Everything seen and unseen. Physical and nonphysical. And the sum total of all that is reducible to a single word: energy. What we see in life in its many forms are manifestations of that energy or vibrations. The basic essence of the universe vibrating at different frequencies to produce the physical and nonphysical, depending on the rate of speed. So we’re talking about the primal energy, a primal source of “what is.” In the East, it is sometimes called “chi.” And that energy experience itself. We are that energy, and we can experience the energy. Even more astonishingly, we can manipulate that energy. And depending on the level of mastery to which we have obtained, we can control it to an even greater degree. True masters have been able to control it utterly.
LG: Do you think our destiny is to play more of a role in being conscious cocreators?
NDW: We are cocreators. It is our destiny to accept and ultimately realize that. Masters, far more articulate than I, have called that self-realization. And so the question is, “What will cause it to occur and when?”
LG: I heard Carl Sagan say once that the reason there might not be a lot of planets out there communicating with us is because most planets don’t make it through their technological adolescence. And I think that’s where we’re at right now; we’re going through a technological adolescence. A little like a young child with dangerous weapons.
NDW: Exactly. We’re going through a technological adolescence and we’re going through a theological infancy. The difficulty is our technology and science have outrun our theological advances. The reason for that is in technology and science, we have had the courage to ask the single question that theology has been afraid to ask, “Is it possible that there’s something I don’t know about this, the knowing of which would change everything?”
LG: And what’s amazing is that history has shown us that truth evolves and changes over time, and when truth doesn’t evolve history has also shown us the atrocities created by the suppression of truth.
NDW: Of course, because life itself is evolving. Even when you think you have the final answer, life will fool you because life will say, “Well, you think you’ve caught up with me, do you?” And so when we have what appears by all measure and means to be the final answer of something, the universe plays a trick on us. Scientists thought they understood the physical universe and then they discovered quantum physics. The genius of Einstein causes us to wonder what he saw that we didn’t see till 50 years later. So it’s the same thing in theology, and the visionaries of our time are people who are the Einsteins of theology. That is, they’re seeing things that it’ll take the rest of the world 50 years, or 100 years, to see. But what must occur for humanity to evolve, to get past the infancy in this theological experience, is for the human species to ask the unaskable question, and to question its prior assumption. We have been prohibited by the religions of the world. If scientists, medical researchers, or technology students were prohibited from questioning prior assumptions, we would be nowhere. All advances have been made through that magic of having the courage to question the prior assumptions we have made. We have not had that courage in theology. Tomorrow’s God is what emerges from our willingness to question our prior assumption. What if everything we thought about God up to this point was not necessarily true? What if some of it were true, but not all of it? For that matter, if you just changed one aspect of the equation, all of rest of the numbers on the blackboard are changed, as Einstein found out.
LG: I believe you just hit on the reason they don’t want to question their original assumptions about God. There are a lot of people on this planet who have a vested interest in maintaining the prior assumption and again, history has shown what happened to the people who questioned those assumptions. To tell you the truth, when I was eight years old I questioned those assumptions and never quit.
NDW: I need to be honest with you—most people have. I did along with a lot of others. But our society beats that questioning out of us: “Don’t you dare question it.” And so all but the most courageous among us have let go of their childhood awareness that we don’t have all the answers. And the reason that children know that and adults don’t is that children have just come from the other realm, the realm of spirituality.
LG: So what I’m wondering is what do you think is behind some of the films being released, such as What the Bleep, Indigo, Indigo Evolution, The Da Vinci Code, The Peaceful Warrior, and now your movie coming out. Why do you think people are opening up to this?
NDW: I think that humanity is losing patience with itself. And out of that loss of patience we are seeking new ways to reveal ourselves to ourselves. And academia and education can only go so far. And the belief systems of humanity, with regard to God, and life, and each other, are so deeply ingrained in us that it’s very difficult to teach us, through standard educational pedagogy, a new idea. So society collectively has to do what mechanics would call a workaround. And the workaround is entertainment, the great spiritual workaround, and entertainment provides us an arena. People are beginning to collectively gather around an organizing principle that reminds them of what they’ve always known. It’s a death to who we “think” we are but that death is a birth into the ultimate experience of who we really are.
LG: I really believe that if somehow I could get inside you, and experience life through your eyes and ears, and be in your situation, I would have a different set of memories because I have a different set of experiences. But when I say, “I am,” I really feel it’s the same “I am” as when I say it from this point of view.
NDW: Of course you would have the identical awareness, different memories leading to an identical awareness. We are all one.
LG: Maybe you can tell us a little about your movie Conversations with God.
NDW: It’s the story of certain portions of my life. The movie has to track some kind of plot or storyline in order for it to be interesting. They dramatized the actual encounter that I had and what happened afterward.
LG: Is there any last thing you want to say to our readers, something to people who want to go see your movie or read your book?
NDW: Well, I think the time has come to stop playing in our minds with these ideas and begin to start doing something in the physical world. The message is we create our own reality but to do that we need to go out into the world and “do” something . . . anything. If we don’t do that in these next few decades, I think that life as we know it will no longer exist on this planet. I frankly am not frightened by that prospect or concerned about it for myself because I’m an old guy now and I’m very clear I won’t even be here during those tumultuous times should we not do what I am suggesting. I do feel saddened and disappointed on a human level for my children and my children’s children.
I consider myself the last generation to experience life as we now know it, unless we make these choices and undertake these actions of which I speak. Now what I think we have to do in these years ahead is to take action on the ground, in physicality, not just talk about it, that would allow humanity to alter its cultural story. And that could create the sense of possibility for a new spirituality to emerge upon the earth. To actually undertake what I call in my poetic moments a civil rights movement for the soul. The last great civil rights movement of humanity. Freeing human beings at last from the oppression of their beliefs in a violent, angry, and vindictive God. And to undertake this civil rights movement for the soul, to create the space of possibility for that new spirituality to emerge, we need to organize and gather ourselves together in large numbers that we might exponentially increase the power of individual attempt, to magnify it, to globally impact in proportion. For more information visit www.nealedonaldwalsch.com