Interview with Bruce Lipton

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One of the reasons I love to talk with Bruce Lipton is that he has this uncanny way of overlaying biological processes onto world problems, which usually gives a clear answer or solution to what’s going on. I believe we live in times of great danger and at the same time, great opportunities, but only “if” we rethink the way we approach life. For instance, one of the aspects of human evolution that has guaranteed our survival has been our ability to adapt. And I can see that we are still doing this and creating new realities of normalization in the process. However, I can also see that the world we have created is the last thing we should adapt to; it’s toxic, environmentally unstable, with world governments that are corrupt and systemically unable to sustain themselves even on a moral level, a financial system that mimics the very structure and agenda of a Ponzi scheme, and the list goes on. But we are entering a period when polarities are dissolving and the old regime is transforming and becoming the foundation of a new vision of what we can become. Now let’s talk with an old friend, Bruce Lipton, and remember that you can watch this entire interview at

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Lotus Guide: Hello, Bruce, we’ve been doing this for a long time now, about 12 years. You were in one of our first issues.


Bruce Lipton: I’m happy to still be here; it’s a blessing.


LG: If nothing else, just to see how this all plays out, because we are down to the wire and it does look like life as we know it is going to collapse, which is a good thing, actually, while we still have some resources left and maybe be able to save the environment.


BL: I’ve been talking to people for a long time about this because we cannot build a sustainable foundation on the existing structure, because the structure itself is corrupt. I try to tell people that this is actually good news. But people look at everything and are afraid, not realizing that the worst thing that can happen is for nothing to happen.

We are headed into and are actually in the midstBruce Lipton-lotus guide of the sixth-greatest extinction period, but we are used to thinking of extinction periods lasting centuries or millennia, but what’s happening now is in decades. The truth is, if we want to build something new, we need to build it from the ground up because we can’t, and shouldn’t, fix this system. So we need to look at this as good news because it’s happening so fast that it’s waking a lot of people up.


LG: We definitely don’t want to fix the very system that got us into this mess in the first place. I sometimes use the analogy of our global civilization being like a building that was built on a foundation strong enough for 10 stories; now, we are up to 180 stories high and the foundation, and the building itself, is no longer sustainable. And if that’s not bad enough, the only way the building can continue to exist is if we keep building higher and higher; this is our financial system. Its survival is predicated on infinite growth based on commercialism and products, which in turn is dedicated to the false and somewhat insane assumption that we have infinite resources.


BL: What I can say regarding this is that our economic system is based on an unsound biological reality, because there are no organisms that continually grow. Like us, for instance. We reach a certain size and after that it’s all about replacement of what’s lost every day. In biology there’s the phase of growth and the phase of maintenance, which levels out in a flat line.

This has to be a wake-up call in the financial world—that nothing on Planet Earth continually grows and is able to perpetually sustain itself. I’m actually working with a friend of mine in Australia on a book on the economy based on biological principles. (Bruce goes into an interesting talk about ATP which is used to transport energy within cells for metabolism and how this explainss his position on financial economies, and you can watch the interview online, where he goes into this and many other views much more deeply … it’s a one and a half–hour interview.)

In biology, there are different levels to the economy/ATP. On one level, there is no wealth in the system until every cell in the body has the basics of life; in other words, no individual can have wealth until every person has the basics of life, food, shelter, health care, and so on. There comes a point where the cells have all they need and after that the accumulation of more ATP could be a liability. So the system has a way to store more ATP in case the body breaks a leg or has special needs. (In the next phase of our conversation we get into a socially sensitive topic, population control. Bruce explains the biological imperative and how this goes against the traditional survival-of-the-fittest mentality that we’ve been taught. Again, this is far too much information to include here but let me say this; birth control is not the answer. I guarantee you that this is something you’ve probably never thought of.)


LG: So, Bruce, let’s get into the “Three Amigos” (The Three Amigos is what Bruce, Joe Dispenza, and Gregg Braden call themselves) for a moment. In our spring issue of Lotus Guide, we had Dr. Joe Dispenza and it seems as if you and Joe and Gregg are all approaching the same problems in life but from different perspectives. Don’t ask me how I know this, but somehow by doing some of Joe’s meditations I feel like I’m rewiring my brain. I can see that old patterns are being canceled out by this process of rewiring and making new neural connections, which are giving me a new perspective on life and what it means to be a human being. We all have ancient neural networks that may have been appropriate for our survival in a different age, but now they have become dangerous in and of themselves.


BL: Here’s the point here, based on false perceptions of a Darwinian belief that life is based on struggle, which it isn’t. We came from a garden, call it the Garden of Eden, but now we’ve broken it up with borders and battlegrounds, which will ultimately need to be broken down. But here’s the thing: We are in the process of breaking down the old structure because it simply can’t survive because it can’t sustain itself any longer. In evolution, crisis provokes evolution and we’re there. (What he says next is very important to understand.) Every human on this planet is a cell forming a new structure of a new organism called humanity, which is part of the nervous system of our planet. In a deep sense, the Internet is an outer manifestation of this process and is connecting humanity in ways we still need to understand. What’s different now is that we have a whole generation, the millennial generation, that grew up with the Internet. They see no borders, language is being translated, their world is no longer the narrow world of their parents, who only had relationships with people in their neighborhood. Now here’s something important to understand. The millennial kids are looking at a world in which they have inherited massive debt, and education based on a world that’s quickly disappearing, parents who had a five-car garage and they share an apartment with three other people because they can’t afford an apartment of their own, and they feel left out, completely disenfranchised from society. Now here’s an important fact: The government can only stand in regard to how many people support it.


LG: In a sense, the old system has built into it the seeds of its own destruction. Even the Internet, which our government, corporations, and educational systems have created, is the very tool that’s being used for dismantling outdated, dysfunctional, and corrupt systems.


BL: Exactly, and if you say to millennials, “Hey, the stock market is going to crash,” they could not care less because they, along with most of the people on the planet right now, are not invested in the old system. Here’s an interesting point: The millennials are the key to change and for the most part they don’t see that right now; they are just starting to realize how powerful they are and actually have very little to lose by changing the system to something entirely different.


Bruce and I talked for another hour on topics important to our survival as a species—everything from Copernicus, Newton, and Einstein to Jesus and the Buddha. Here’s my question for anyone reading this: “What will it take to bring in a new consciousness, a new vision on this planet?” Maybe we’re doing it by simply “Questioning the answers we’ve been given for centuries that no longer serve us.”

You can watch the entire interview on our YouTube Channel at, and while you’re there, watch my interview with Bruce about “Imaginal Cells,” because you will understand the underlying process on everything you just read. Visit for more information on Bruce.