Interview with Bruce Lipton on Spiritual Evolution

Spiritual Evolution

Bruce Lipton

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I am in constant contact with a variety of interesting people because of the magazine my wife and I publish. I meet enthusiastic people, intellectually superior people, passionate people, engaging, humorous, and adventurous people, but it’s rare to run into someone who embodies all these traits and has the uncanny ability to synthesize them and focus on a particular subject; this is Dr. Bruce Lipton. He has one more trait, courage, because that’s what it takes to speak out in today’s world.


Rahasya Poe, Lotus Guide magazine


LG: What are the misperceptions of the apocalypse that you refer to in your book Spiritual Evolution?

BL: Basically these are beliefs that we have seen as truth in Western civilization for the last couple of hundred years. So we live according to these “truths” and as a result manifesting a life using those beliefs, which can be very self-destructive. So these beliefs will affect decisions in economics and politics and everything else that we do. I like to call them myth-perceptions because they’re myths that we have mistakenly accepted as true.

One myth-perception is our continued emphasis of a Newtonian materialistic world, which by definition emphasizes the primacy of matter and somewhat ignores or minimizes the influence of the immaterial part of the universe. The significance is how this affects us.

For example, in health it affects us because we look at the human body as a biochemical machine controlled by genes and therefore we see a mechanical aspect to life and then try to understand the nature of mechanics by looking at how the physical parts interact with each other, so that’s biochemistry. So, if you want to understand life you just look at it as a whole series of interactive chemical reactions. As a result we ignore the essence of something that you might call vitalism. And vitalism is a nonmaterial aspect that appears to influence the shaping and activity of life. So the problem is, you look at biology and say, “Okay, here’s the disease; where is the chemical defect?” Make a drug. Put the drug in there and then you fix the chemical defect. If this actually worked it would have been really cool, but as we’re well aware, medicine is one of the leading causes of death and the reason is just a simple use of logic.

It’s leaving something out of the equation. And what it’s leaving out is profoundly important to understanding. What it’s leaving out is the invisible elements, the contributions of the invisible world, which are emphasized in the nature of quantum mechanics. Matter is energy and is a primary factor that must be considered because everything is ultimately energy.

Basically, when you look inside the atom for all those particles that were supposed to be there, it turns out that the particles are actually energy vortices. So then the atom itself is made out of energy. And the energy in the atom is entangled; it’s connected with the energy of the entire universe.

So the relevance about that is from a quantum physics point of view everything is entangled and enmeshed and is connected and from a Newtonian point of view, everything is discrete and separate and each piece identifiable. That’s where the problems come from because they look at things as linear chemical equations when there’s a very complex entangled web of communication between all of the parts and all of the system. You throw that piece out of the equation, and then you’re left with a biomechanical robotic body.


LG: I would like to hear what you have to say about Myth #4, when we say life evolved as a random process. As you know, when you put a book out there you’re open to all kinds of feedback. I was surprised to get negative feedback on my book from evolutionists, because my book points out some obvious holes in the theory of evolution, especially in the area of the “missing link,” which is where the intelligent-design supporters come in and say there had to be a designer because of the sudden appearance of homo sapiens, and what I realized is that even science can become dogmatic and eventually be based on unsubstantiated beliefs. Have you run into this in your line of research?

BL: Yes, the central dogma is not only dogmatic, it is called the central dogma. And it is a belief system that was never tested by science. And now, that’s Myth #2; it turns out the whole foundation was completely wrong and yet we’ve built an entire scientific world on that belief system, which is genes control life and that life does not influence the genes. That is really the concept of genetic control. That belief has been challenged over and over again. The trouble is that we’ve invested heavily into some of our beliefs. The more you invest in the belief system the harder it is to let it go.


LG: With self-awareness we’re becoming active participants in our evolution. So what used to be the evolution of consciousness has now become conscious evolution. Do you think this implies a new responsibility that we have in the process?

BL: Oh, absolutely. And it’s the responsibility of owning personal responsibility. It’s not like that’s a nice idea…it’s fundamental to the entire process. We have been programmed on a greater level to be irresponsible, and accept it as being a victim of forces outside of our control. When it turns out that it was always in our control.


LG: While researching my book I was able to speak with Biblical scholars, historians, and archaeologists and quickly realized that, for the most part, the general public is completely out of touch with the discoveries of the past century that directly relate to who we are and how we got here. It’s obvious to most secular academics that we will be rewriting our human history over the next few years.

BL: Well, that’s really necessary because it has to be rewritten in terms of the unbiased programming that we’ve all been through in the first place. And it’s real interesting because as I emphasize in Spontaneous Evolution, people don’t even recognize who the founding fathers were. They were exceptional human beings—when you signed the Declaration of Independence, that was a death warrant they signed their name to. You have to have courage to put your name on a death warrant against the most powerful nation in the world at that time. And yet, we didn’t honor who they really were. They were deists. They lived an enlightened belief system. Then, of course, the gold standard got reintroduced after that and then we were off the track again.


LG: They tried to warn everyone what was happening but it was so slick that it was done before they knew it; what I am saying, most people still don’t realize what happened and is happening with the world banking system.

BL: The colonies started to issue their own money and stopped using the Bank of England, which was what precipitated the war because you can’t have your own currency because then you’re out of our control. That was one of the main contributing factors. But what we’re doing right now is the only way we can get out of the box—knowledge is power and we have been systematically deprived of knowledge. Because the knowledge we have been given is only knowledge that supports those people that are running the system. They control the knowledge so therefore they control how we are, but once we go beyond this and start to open up and question and experience things in a different way, we can move forward. Trying to wake them up is really hard but I think the crises that we’re about to face will be the baseball bat in the head.


LG: That’s why we’re having these events now called spiritual activism to get people more involved and prepared and supportive of each other and at the same time make our community a little better, or greener as we say.

BL: Absolutely. They’ve got to work together on this because it’s the only way out of this one. And it’s very interesting, because the programmers have been completely successful at destroying the concept of community and making people feel alienated. And it was done with intention because as soon as you’ve done that, it’s total disempowerment.

It goes like this. When I give my lectures I talk about Einstein’s quote, which is essentially “The field is the sole governing agency of the particle. Energy is the sole governing agency of matter.” And then I illustrate that by sprinkling iron filings on a piece of paper which randomly fall on the paper, but then I put a magnet under the piece of paper and the iron filings have order and organization and the order and organization is not in the iron filings. It’s the iron filings responding to the magnetic field.

Then I remind everyone that every iron filing is also influencing the field. So it’s not just the field shaping the filings, but the filings go back and influence the field. But then I say, “A person, like a filing, is also doing the same thing.” And then I say, “And this is important in reference to your spiritual activists meetings—while each filing can influence the field, it’s only in its immediate vicinity; it’s just that the individual filing has an imperceptible influence on the field. But in the immediate vicinity of the filing there’s the little alteration of the field.So a human can alter their field, but can’t change the world.”

And then I say, “But here’s what’s different. If you take all the filings that were scattered and compressed them back into an iron bar and make them coherent, they themselves create the magnetic field. And in that field they can distort the other field, the bigger field.”

So the relevance is this: If each person is like an iron filing, then to control the iron filings they must be divided within the community, because as individual iron filings they have a negligible effect. We each have a negligible effect on changing the world right now as alienated individuals. But the reality is, when these iron filings, you, me, all the other iron filings, start to recognize “Hey, when we come together and share a coherent belief then we alter the field.

We have the power, but only if we come together in coherent groups.” The other direction has reached the fullest expression, which is every human out here is essentially a powerless individual and those who control power have always known this.


LG: Absolutely. That was one of the things that originally drew me toward you and what you had to say in Biology of Belief, not becoming or maintaining the victim status and going back to empowerment.

BL: But you always need to keep in mind that you have to do something, which is why your meetings and meetings like them are so important because they are bringing people, iron filings, together to create coherency, which is how we get our power back.


Bruce H. Lipton, PhD, is an internationally recognized leader in bridging science and spirit. He has been a guest speaker on hundreds of TV and radio shows, as well as keynote presenter for national and international conferences.

Dr. Lipton began his scientific career as a cell biologist. He received his PhD degree from the University of Virginia at Charlottesville before joining the Department of Anatomy at the University of Wisconsin’s School of Medicine in 1973. Dr. Lipton’s research on muscular dystrophy, studies employing cloned human stem cells, focused upon the molecular mechanisms controlling cell behavior.


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